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Total Recall: Democratic Party of Wisconsin comes out against fake candidates

Post by dane101 on 6/11/2011 2:44pm

The Democratic Party of Wisconsin issued the following statement this afternoon in response to a call by We Are Wisconsin to run phony candidates.

"The unprecedented Republican manipulation of these recall elections has compelled a number of people to urge a level playing field by running fake candidates in GOP primaries.

"We cannot and will not stoop to the Republicans' level by encouraging candidates to lie about their party affiliation, or recommending that people try to deceive voters. We never have done that, and won’t start now. This is something that every single one of our six challengers has said they adamantly oppose. Fred Clark, Jess King, Shelly Moore, Nancy Nusbaum, Jen Shilling and Sandy Pasch -- along with Senator Miller -- all contacted the party over the last 24 hours to make it crystal clear this was absolutely the wrong tactic.

"At the same time, these phony GOP primary candidacies have in essence allowed the Republicans to seize the ability to call these elections at a date of their choosing. They can pick and choose which sham primaries to force. That's wrong. Selecting an election day is a responsibility that should fall to an independent, nonpartisan agency looking out for the people of Wisconsin -- not to a political party gaming the system for partisan gain. This transparent GOP conspiracy has cheated the people of protections against such dirty tricks.

"That is why we must guarantee these primary and general election dates move forward. The only way to do that in the face of these deplorable Republican tactics is by ensuring Democratic primaries with placeholders.

"This approach will keep the Republicans honest – an increasingly difficult task given the stunts they've pulled. It sends a clear statement that the GOP attempts to exploit the political process won't be tolerated. It also ensures a much fairer process than what Republicans have concocted with their dirty tricks, as well as reduces confusion among voters about when recall elections will take place.

"No one likes where Republicans have taken this process. The fight for Wisconsin is too important to have one hand tied behind our back."

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Perhaps we should look into doing away with Primary Elections and just put everyone on the ballot that wishes to run for an office. The person with the most votes is the person that is elected. All parties can, and should, put in a candidate or two, or three, or four... There would be far less taxpayer money spent on having one complete general election annually than on having primaries and special elections. I say do away with Primary elections and Special elections... ASAP! Let us Debate that!

Both parties are guilty of this tactic in the past. Perhaps not by placing "fake candidates" in the others ballot spots, but by placing them in other party slots to pull possible votes away from the Republican or Democrat candidates. This is a clear demonstration of Rule #1: There are no rules in politics. Rule #2: Win at all costs. Rule #3: If in doubt refer to rule #1... It has become very abundantly clear that the Wisconsin Voter will need to do their homework and study up on "ALL" of the candidates in primary, special, and regular elections from this point in history and on into the future to laern for themselves what the various candidates actually stand for and who is backing them! We cannot afford to base our voting on sound bites and political hack ads. Fear must not be the overwhealming reason for choosing one candidate over another. Cold hard facts backed up with reason and common sense must win the day on any future Wisconsin Election Days! Voters must now have a Wisconsin ID and a working brain to sort out the wheat from the chaff in order to vote and make "it" count... Will there be any "fake Tea Party candidates" on the ballots this time around...? Maybe it is time for the Wisconsin Socialist and Communist parties to actually put viable candidates on the ballots and have them run on their "true" paltforms...they are the "true" representatives of the UNION's anyway!

You were doing great until the end, but you did put "true" in quotes so I don't know if you mean it literally or not.

If you honestly do think the Communist Party is the "'true' representative" of unions under the AFL-CIO umbrella I suggest you do some history homework. Here are some places to start.

American Institute of Free Labor Development

Free Trade Union Committee

Inter-American Regional Organization of Workers

Former AFL-CIO President George Meany

The AFL-CIO's Solidarity Center

Jesse,

Some of your sources were tools of the USA government used to destablize democratic governments oppress democratic unions. Those who did not toe the USA line were labeled communist and many of those union leaders were murdered in the name of such anti-communism. Those groups are a very bad chapter in labor history.

Exactly. I was using that unfortunate era of the AFL-CIO's history to show the above poster that not everything fits neatly under a simple-minded "-ism" as he'd like.

Where are we being led by the Union Folks then, if not the fall of capitalism and socialism/communism? Why are we being labled as the middle class or working class...? Why are there so many socialist/communist groups out protesting here in Wisconsin in "solidarity" with the union's "struggle"? Why are the people that pay us always labled as the evil one's if they happen to be on the side of conservatism? Why are those mega-rich folks on the liberal side not being discussed or targeted? Will they be asked to give up their fortunes to those that are in need? Who, then, is actually leading this fine "true" mess?

As usual, they start out faking bipartisanship, and ultimately, they unravel to decree nothing more than right-wing talking points.

Seriously, you said that the socialist and communist parties are in your mind the "true" representatives of the unions??!!! Seriously??!! You've got to be kidding!!! That shows a completely immature and rudimentary understanding of American politics & history, and it suggests you are easily led astray.

It's the simple-minded "ism's" that give them away, and it's something they simply cannot see or understand until they seek what is true and not just listening to someone who agrees with them and speaks for them without regard for the others we share this world with.

Kudos to dane101 for being on their radar.

a_guy_named_joe :

Well then I am now seeking what is true...

Please feel free to enlighten all of us "simple-minded" "right-wing" readers/posters of dane101 articles with your professed infinate wisdom on the "real" truth...!

Thank you in advance!

There's no need to thank me, you're the one who makes it so easy ;)

Additionally, if you were a regular reader you'd have a verified account.

And the regular regular readers aren't as insulting or condescending as you. I am merely pointing out the flaws in your logic and your incredibly obvious and repetitive behaviors that you are apparently blind to.

Walker probably likes people like you because you're easily manipulated and can't tell when you're being lied to. I just feel sorry for you.

a_guy_named_joe:

Still waiting for your enlightened explanation of the the "truth" behind the Labor/Labour Unions of the World uniting to colapse Capitalism and replace it with...WHAT?

P.S. Bashing me in a short reply does not count!

"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance...baffle them with your Bull S H I T!"

There's no truth behind your faulty premise, so why would I need to explain it to you? That would merely be spoon-feeding you your own S H I T.

I'm not bashing you, I'm merely pointing out flaws in your logic, statements, and thought process. It's really quite easy.

"There's no truth behind your faulty premise, so why would I need to explain it to you? That would merely be spoon-feeding you your own S H I T.

I'm not bashing you, I'm merely pointing out flaws in your logic, statements, and thought process. It's really quite easy."

You have pointed out absolutely nothing worthwhile that would support your argument that you are not just bashing me!

I thought that you'd probably just shrivel like that (D) New York Congressman did today...

Now SHOW us what you "really know to be the truth" about this international united Labor/Labour (U-N-I-O-N) front to abolish Capitalism and replace it with...WHAT? (Socialism/Anarchy/Communism...?)

You surely must have something in writing that can back up your premise that my premise, logic, statements, and logic are "all faulty" in this arena of debate!

PROVE ME WRONG...with written facts! I'll bet that you can't!

...Your silence will read as volumes in my defense!

WAITING... :-)

Why you insist I spoon-feed you your own S H I T is baffling. That's like me saying that the moon is made of cheese and insisting you to prove it.

That's what is called the burden of proof fallacy, one of the many logical fallacies you make repeatedly:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

Here's some more written facts: Your statement about the New York Congressman was an ad hominem attack, which was a logical fallacy built in an attempt to marginalize my position:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Your submission of a biased source of material in your Hypocrisy post to try and counter my argument was what is called a biased or loaded sample:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/biased-sample.html

That's game, set, and match. You bet and you lost. Game over for you.

You obviously cannot understand the flaws in your logic or the absurdity of your own statements. I am done with you, your incorrigibility is a waste of my time, and in light of your refusal to see what is obvious to everyone else, at this point I think that the only reason you reply is to have the last word, which most likely reflects an immature mind and underdeveloped thought process.

You also can't realize that I've taken you totally off your game and had you debating me instead of writing your ridiculous posts that do nothing but blame, accuse, and blame some more. You, WIVOTER2 have been played for a fool and you never realized it until reading it now. That must hurt.

You've also been used to illustrate just how poorly constructed the beliefs and arguments of right wingers are.

You can have the last word, I'll give you that out of charity. But it won't mean you're right.

Nice try to circumvent your lack of facts about how these folks are not working to undermine the Capitalist foundation of our great nation and replace it with their own brand of...socialism/anarchy/communism/progressivism, or whatever with links to nothing that remotely relates to this idea forum and further attacks on me rather than the idea itself.

I stand last worded, and by my assertions in this idea forum that are backed up by the last two posts in this forum.

You, sir, must be a very good politician!

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